Emotions

Greed on forex

Greed on forex rarely looks like greed. It arrives in the form of reasonable wordings: «the signal is very clear, I can take a bit more», «let it run further, the trend is strong», «one more trade, it is a good day». You can check yourself by one sign: greed always changes a number worked out in advance.

Three places where greed intervenes

Fear and greed in trading are often named as a pair, but they work at different points. Fear gets in the way of acting; greed changes the parameters of a decision already taken.

01Size above the calculated one

The most expensive of the three. The lot is increased while the distance to the stop is the same — which means the risk per trade has grown by exactly the same factor. This is the case the widget on the front page calculates.

price: risk × multiplier
02The target is moved out while in the position

The take-profit is moved further because «it is going well». Formally this is an increase in the risk/reward ratio; in fact it is a cancellation of the plan: the exit condition is now unknown.

price: a return to breakeven
03Extra trades on a good day

After two winners the feeling appears that today «it is going». The number of trades grows, and the share of trades outside the setup grows with it.

price: costs and the quality of entries

What an oversized lot costs

It is convenient to count not in dollars per trade but as a yearly sum: a one-off excess looks like a trifle, a habit does not.

overpayment per year = (risk × multiplier − risk) × number of breakdowns per month × 12
a $5,000 deposit, 1 % risk, a multiplier of 2.5, once a month: (125 − 50) × 12 = $900 = 18 % of the deposit

Eighteen percent of the deposit a year is more than most improvements to a strategy give over the same time. And the overpayment comes from exactly one decision repeated twelve times, and it is removed entirely by calculating size with a formula and not revisiting it after the calculation.

A size formula that leaves no room for editing:

size in lots = (deposit × risk %) ÷ (distance to the stop in points × point value per lot)
(5,000 × 1 %) ÷ (25 × 10) = 50 ÷ 250 = 0.20 lots

How to overcome greed in trading: telling it from calculation

Increasing size is not always a mistake: scaling an account is normal practice. The difference is in when the decision is taken and on what grounds.

CalculationGreed
When the decision is takenAway from the market, before the sessionIn the moment, with the chart open
On what groundsThe statistics for a periodA feeling about the current setup
What changesThe base risk for all tradesOne particular trade
How oftenNo more than once a monthWhen «the signal is especially good»
Is it written downYes, in the plan with a dateNo

The main sign. If size has been changed for one trade, that is greed, however convincing the justification sounds. A system's edge exists over a distance and is spread evenly across all trades; «especially good» trades do not exist in the statistics, only in the feeling.

A profit held too long

The second kind of greed looks like the opposite of the first and is often found in the same person. The logic of «let it run further» has a specific price on forex: holding a position is paid for with the swap every night, and the major pairs rarely move one way for longer than a few sessions.

When the target really can be moved

+The rule is written in advanceFor example: «on a break beyond level N the take is moved to the next level and the stop is pulled up under N». That is part of the plan rather than a decision in the moment.
+The stop moves along with the targetIf the target has moved out and the stop has stayed, the risk/reward ratio has changed and not in your favour.
«The trend is strong»A judgement of a trend's strength made while in the position is always inflated: what is at work is confirmation bias.
«It is a shame to close on a move like this»A wording about a feeling, not about a condition. It has no condition, which means there will be no exit either — until the reversal.

Six wordings behind which a forex trader's greed stands

Greed does not arrive with the word «greed». It arrives with an argument that at the moment of speaking looks professional. Below are six such arguments and a check for each.

01«The setup is very clear, I can take a bit more»

Check: do you have statistics for the category «clear setups» over at least thirty trades? If not, this is a judgement rather than a class of trades, and it was made in a moment of arousal.

size
02«The trend is strong, let it run further»

Check: where exactly is the new target and what will you do if the price comes back to the old one? If there is no answer, the exit condition no longer exists.

target
03«It is going today, I should make use of it»

Check: how many trades does the plan allow for the day and how many have already been made? «It is going» means two winners in a row, and two winners in a row happen at any win rate above forty percent.

frequency
04«I will risk what I have made»

Check: what you have made sits in the same account and protects you from a drawdown exactly as the original deposit does. There is no separate «not really yours» part of the equity.

the house money effect
05«I will make back last week»

Check: a money target over a short period is achievable only through an increase in size — the win rate does not change over a week. That is already revenge trading.

a money target
06«I will add half a position on top»

Check: work out the total risk after the addition. Usually it turns out to be twice the planned one, because the stop has stayed where it was.

adding to a position

What all six have in common is a first-person verb and the absence of a number. A rule written with a number admits no such wording: «risk 1 % of equity, size calculated by formula, review on the first of the month» cannot be applied «a bit more».

What happens to the account: three scenarios over a year

The difference between calculation and greed is visible not on one trade but over a year's horizon. Take one system and three ways of handling size.

A $5,000 deposit, planned risk 1 %. The overpayment is counted as the difference between the breached and the planned risk, multiplied by the number of occasions in a year.
ScenarioRisk per tradeOverpayment per yearThat is, of the account
The formula with no exceptions1 % always$00 %
One exception a month1 %, occasionally 2.5 %−$90018 %
An exception once a week1 %, often 2.5 %−$3,90078 %
overpayment = (risk × multiplier − risk) × number of occasions × 12
once a month: (125 − 50) × 1 × 12 = $900
once a week: (125 − 50) × 4.33 × 12 = $3,900

The third row looks like an exaggeration right up to the moment it is checked against your own export. «Once a week» is one trade in five to seven, that is, under twenty percent of cases. And that is exactly the spread of risk found in most people who believe they trade a fixed percentage.

Frequently asked questions

Are greed and ambition the same thing?

No. Ambition sets a goal away from the market: «reach steady execution of the rules», «bring the deposit to such-and-such a size within a year». Greed changes a parameter inside a trade that is already open or being prepared. The first is useful, the second costs money.

What do I do if a signal really does look stronger than usual?

Nothing special — take the planned size. If you have grounds to consider some setups stronger, that has to be part of the system: a separate category of trades with a separate risk, described in the plan and checked against the statistics over at least thirty cases.

Can risk be increased at all after a good period?

It can, if this is planned scaling: a fixed step, a review no more than once a month, and a rollback to the previous risk at a drawdown of a set depth. A spontaneous increase after a good week is already euphoria, and it usually brings the largest loss of the month.

How is greed connected with overtrading?

Through the feeling that «it is going today». It produces both an increase in size and a growth in the number of trades at once, and the second part is less noticeable. The price of extra trades is worked out in the costs calculator.

DiagramWhat an exception to the size formula costs
The price of exceptions to the size formula over a year on a deposit of 5 000 dollars: the formula without exceptions 0 dollars, one exception a month minus 900 dollars or 18 percent of the deposit, an exception once a week minus 3 900 dollars or 78 percent of the deposit
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APTF editorial teamWe examine trading psychology where it shows up in the statement: the price of one broken plan, the probability of a run of stops, the cost of revenge trading and of overtrading. We give the formulas in full so that every calculation can be repeated in your own spreadsheet.Who writes and how we verify the dataData verified: